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  resurrection

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  the wts denies the bodily resurrection of christ.

  here is a verse i have found which , to my way of thinking, adds weight to the bodily resurrection.

  read john 20:6,7.did you notice that the face cloth,napkin or shroud from jesus burial garments was folded up and was lying seperate from the rest of the bandages or linen strips.if ,as the wts teaches,god had simply evaporated jesus body in some way then surely all the bandages would be lying in the same place,the place where jesus body lay.i visualize the scripture this way.jesus body is restored to life.he sits up and undoes the bandages from around his head.he then lays these to one side,stands up and divests himself of the other linen cloths.i may be way off with this but it seems to fit with other scriptures relating to the bodily resurrection.

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  Divine plan of the ages

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  whilst reading the chapter entitled "our lords return" in russells book "divine plan of the ages" i came across these interesting quotes :

  to this last view the majority of christians of all denominations assent (notwithstanding the creeds of some to the contrary), from a feeling that any other view would be irreconcilable with justice on god's part.

  but do the scriptures support this last view?

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  Three tribe division/banner

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  in the nwt those "scholarly" translators have rendered the hebrew word-degel- as "three tribe division" when its literal meaning according to strong and vine is flag,standard or banner.why do this.did it have any connection with the flag salute issue in the usa?

  i know the israelites camped in groups of four around the tabernacle, so yes,they would have been in a three tribe division but the nwt rendering seems to have been done for some other agenda.

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  Romans 8

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  i have just finished reading the book of romans and i have a question ?

  a person cannot please god unless he is controlled by the spirit.

  (rom 8:8,9) nor can he put to death the misdeeds of the body except by the spirit (rom 8:13) the next verse (v14) then tells us that all who are led by gods spirit are gods sons.in fact they are adopted as his children.however,according to the wts , these verses only apply to the annointed.so,my question is this.if only the annointed are led by gods spirit,whose spirit leads the "other sheep" ?

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  How do you spot a doubter ?

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  hi all,i would like to know how to spot any doubters in my cong.the problem,as you are all well aware,is that everyone is to damn scared to openly say anything critical about the wts.so how can i ferret out any "would be doubters".any hints?

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  Monster on the streets!

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  2. child-abuse

  i've just been browsing the silent lambs website and there i find a photograph of pedo porter (ministry bag over shoulder) brazenly walking the streets,apparently unsupervised by the "supportive congregation elders".if hell doesnt exist jehovah should create it for "men" of his kind.

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  Gentile Times reconsidered

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  i am half way through this book by carl o. jonsson and the more i read the more certain i become that the 607bce date for the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is nothing more than a fabrication designed to uphold 1914 and hence the "authority" of the watchtower leadership.it makes me sick to think of how they have duped millions of people with their phoney chronology.it makes sitting through studies that mention these dates irritating to say the least.especially when all the heads nod in unison at the mention of the "magic 607"

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  feelings of guilt

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  as some of you are aware i am in the early stages of doubting the wts as the only channel of truth.however i am assailed by feelings of guilt.am i being seduced by the words of disgruntled witnesses or ex-witnesses or am i truly doubting !

  !maybe some of you felt this way in the early stages of your "defection" from the wts.sometimes i feel as though i am rejecting god and his organization but other times i feel so strongly that the wts has misled me and is acting to control my "loyalty" by vieled threats of destruction at armageddon.you see prior to becoming a jw i had no religious affiliations.i knew nothing about the bible or god.so for 20 yrs i have only known watchtower teachings and un-learning 20yrs of this is making me so indesicive.am i doing the right thing or not ?

  my only solace is prayer.i have prayed to god to show me in some way what the truth really is.i must admit that these prayers have been the most heartfelt i have ever said.have others felt this way and if so how did they deal with it ?i would truly appreciate some feedback.

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  first seeds of doubt

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  just before this weeks book study i happened to say to my wife ,(in a matter of fact sort of way),"that judge rutherford was not a very likable character".i then "dropped in" 1925 and the foretold resurrection of the prophets aswell as some other stuff i had learned about rutherford.i then casually alluded to other dates such as 1799,1874 and 1975.her response was that "they were a fickle bunch".she then said in all seriousness "do you think its right ?

  ",meaning did i think that we are in the "truth"i had to curb my enthusiasm to tell her exactly what i thought,figuring that a- little- at- a- time approach would be best suited to my purpose.hence the first seeds of doubt have been sown.

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  Help needed desperately !!!!!

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  hi,i have just registered here because i need someone to talk to in a way that wont end me up before a jc.i have been reading a lot of stuff recently about the wts being false prophets and the like.i also hate the fact that there are so called "spiritual" men out there who abuse their positions to molest children.i have been a witness now for 20yrs but instead of feeling spiritually alive i feel totally and utterly confused.i do not know which way to turn.anyone out there who feels the same ?

  share your thoughts with me ..please and help me unburden myself to someone.

  thanks for reading.

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